GridPP PMB Minutes 18 - 21st January 2002 ========================================== Present: Roger Barlow (RB), Nick Brook (NB), Tony Cass (TC), Pete Clarke (PK), Tony Doyle (TD), John Gordon (JG), Steve Lloyd (SL) Administrative Assistant ------------------------ TD Reported that an advert is out with a deadline of 31 January. Review of Actions ----------------- ACTION 15.2: TD to iterate with Oversight cttee on understanding management of the Tier-2 centres - not yet done. ACTION 15.3: SL will write to the directors of each of the e_Science centres on how best to work together - not yet done - will be done this week. ACTION 16.2 NB and RB to plan Experiment session. This has been done. Nick and Roger will have 1 hour each and Stephen Burke half an hour. ACTION 16.3 JG to plan Deployment session. TD had sent a long list which JG amended. He sent out an email but had got no response yet. ACTION 16.4 PC and RM to plan Middleware session including feedback from Middleware Training Day on 31st Jan. TD will contact the middleware people directly. ACTION 16.5 TD to contact Cambridge about local speaker(s). This has been done. Andy Parker and his Technical Manager will speak and RM is contacting someone from EBI. ACTION 16.6 RB Fourth meeting is planned for May in Manchester but date not yet fixed. This is now fixed for 9/10 May. Rooms are booked and RB is talking to the e-Science centre about giving talks. ACTION 17.1 JG to update email list to replace Les with Tony. Done. ACTION 17.2 SL to update website to replace Les with Tony. Done. ACTION 17.3 DB 1 page document for SCP4 detailing where the 17M is going. A draft was sent yesterday and will be circulated to the PMB this evening. ACTION 17.4 ALL read Oversight Committee draft and report errors to Tony. There was no further feedback. ACTION 17.5 TD Collate errors and forward to Guy Rickett. One error was picked up at the last meeting. ACTION 17.6 NB and RB Arrange for Experiments to report on testbed experiences in March. NB reported that CMS have already raised points on this issue. Dave Newbold was compiling a list which would be fed back. There was a discussion of whether a common reporting format could be adopted. NB and RB would investigate. NEW ACTION: 18.1 NB/RB to investigate reporting format for Experiments Testbed experiences. ACTION 17.7 TD Examine Gantt chart and identify risks, and consider how to manage them. TD was having problems installing MS Project. ACTION 17.8 NG Find out who gets the money if there's a gap in a post. Not yet done. ACTION 17.9 SL with Andrew Mcnab; improve website. Andrew has made some changes. SLL will contact him this week. ACTION 17.10 PC Encourage JIF and SRIF sites to put up Grid software. This action was to get agreement in principle but we didn't want to formalise the structure at this stage. ACTION 17.11 TD Contact Astrogrid project manager and see what we can learn. Not yet done. ACTION 17.12 SL Get CB to agree to extend RAL posts for final 6 months in 04. An email had been sent but there was little response so far. ACTION 17.13 JG and RM consider what 'running the grid' means. This was understood to mean consulting around RAL and getting 'buy in'. It has not yet been done. ACTION 17.14 JG revise Tier 1/A staffing plans. Not yet started. ACTION 17.15 RB investigate whether network from RAL to Janet may need upgrading and report to PPNCG. Not yet done. RB needs to talk to Tim Adye. ACTION 17.16 ALL give Tony ideas for the Cambridge meeting. None received yet. ACTION 17.17 SL Put TB names on the website. SL does not have them as they are in PC minutes which are not yet ready. JG offered to send SL the names. NEW ACTION: 18.2 JG to send SL the current TB names. ACTION 17.18 PC forward spreadsheet to DB (including RAL grid effort and some words to explain meanings). It was clarified that this was PCs EDG reporting spreadsheet (the 'red' one). Not yet done. ACTION 17.19 DB process spreadsheet from PC and use in reporting. This depends on the previous action. ACTION 17.20 PC through TB: get evaluation criteria to make MDS/R-GMA decision. Not yet done. ACTION 17.21 ALL send feedback to JG, PC and RM about WP5 recovery. The question was whether any additional feedback was required for the Oversight Committee. JG to present to the Collaboration Meeting looking forward to real work on the middleware. ACTION 17.22 RM pass on vote of thanks to Dave Newbold. Status unknown. ACTION 17.23 PC and NB improve communication of TB and EB with WP8. Nothing done but RM should be involved as well. ACTION 17.24 RM invite EBI to give talk at Cambridge. Status unknown. ACTION 17.25 JG put RAL posts on website. It was decided that a better procedure was for each institute to send SLL details of their people and for him to put them on the website. RMs UKHEPGRID list could also be a starting point. NEW ACTION: 18.3 SLL to get GridPP personnel details on website. ACTION 17.26 ALL get grid certificates and learn how to update the GridPP website. PC was in the process of getting a certificate. TD has the instructions. ACTION 17.27 RM write document describing how PPARC controls unfunded EU effort and send to Fab. Status unknown. ACTION 17.28 RB Provide Babar+Intergrid slides for Robin. Not yet done. ACTION 17.29 NG Tell CERN John Gordon is our delegate on SC2. Done. ACTION 17.30 NB and RB Arrange EB meeting mid March. Not yet done. ACTION 17.31 NB arrange PMB meeting on 19th March in Bristol. Will be done this week. Other Matters Arising --------------------- NB reported that CMS and BaBar are having problems with disk space at RAL, and during defragmentation. JG knew about the space problem but not the defragmentation. NB will get more details and email JG. NEW ACTION: 18.4 NB to email JG about RAL disk problems. There are still problems with the UCL MCU. It was likely that we would use the old Gatekeeper number for a while (IP 128.40.37.237). TD agreed to make the Glasgow MCU available as a backup in future. NEW ACTION: 18.5 TD Investigate making Glasgow MCU available as a backup. Actions (21/01/02) ------------------ ACTION 15.2: TD to iterate with Oversight cttee on understanding management of the Tier-2 centres. ACTION 15.3: SLL will write to the directors of each of the e-Science centres on how best to work together. ACTION 16.3 JG to plan Deployment session. ACTION 16.4 TD to contact middleware people about Middleware session. ACTION 17.7 TD Examine Gantt chart and identify risks, and consider how to manage them. ACTION 17.8 NG Find out who gets the money if there's a gap in a post. ACTION 17.9 SL with Andrew Mcnab; improve website. ACTION 17.10 PC Encourage JIF and SRIF sites to put up Grid software. ACTION 17.11 TD Contact Astrogrid project manager and see what we can learn. ACTION 17.13 JG and RM consider what 'running the grid' means. ACTION 17.14 JG revise Tier 1/A staffing plans. ACTION 17.15 RB investigate whether network from RAL to Janet may need upgrading and report to PPNCG. ACTION 17.16 ALL give Tony ideas for the Cambridge meeting.. ACTION 17.17 SL Put TB names on the website. ACTION 17.18 PC forward spreadsheet to DB (including RAL grid effort and some words to explain meanings). ACTION 17.19 DB process spreadsheet from PC and use in reporting. ACTION 17.20 PC through TB: get evaluation criteria to make MDS/R-GMA decision. ACTION 17.22 RM pass on vote of thanks to Dave Newbold. ACTION 17.23 PC, RM and NB improve communication of TB and EB with WP8. ACTION 17.24 RM invite EBI to give talk at Cambridge. ACTION 17.26 ALL get grid certificates and learn how to update the GridPP website. ACTION 17.27 RM write document describing how PPARC controls unfunded EU effort and send to Fab. ACTION 17.28 RB Provide BaBar+Intergrid slides for Robin. ACTION 17.30 NB and RB Arrange EB meeting mid March. ACTION 17.31 NB arrange PMB meeting on 19th March in Bristol. ACTION 18.1 NB/RB to investigate reporting format for Experiments Testbed experiences. ACTION 18.2 JG to send SL the current TB names. ACTION 18.3 SLL to get GridPP personnel details on website. ACTION 18.4 NB to email JG about RAL disk problems. ACTION 18.5 TD Investigate making Glasgow MCU available as a backup.